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Opinion: Unresolved Issues with Cuomo’s $2.05 Billion LaGuardia AirTrain

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  • Charlie C.
    Posted August 17, 2021 at 9:47 am

    lots of conflicting and misleading info in this article:

    Author first asks “Why would travelers with luggage and those with children attempt to squeeze onto already pre-COVID-19 packed rush hour subway and Port Washington branch LIRR trains”, and then claims that an expansion of the N & W line to LGA would make more sense. Using the above logic, if latter is to be built, would not then the passengers also have to squeeze onto the N & W trains? Or perhaps, there is a difference between levels of squeezing on the 7 and N & W trains that only author is aware of.

    Second point, for author’s benefit, it’s worth noting that the LIRR already runs up to eight trains on the PW branch during peak hours in peak direction (soon to go both Penn and GC terminus). What would be different going forward is that PWB’s trains would have to make a regular station stop at Willets Point (currently, the WP station is used to support special events at US Open, Mets Stadium and NYC Parks). This “change” would help LIRR’s tix revenue by say 9,000 daily riders x $9 (in peak direction) = $80K a day – even if it’s half of that, still not a bad deal for making an extra stop along the way. Now granted, 30 min ride might be pushing it, but it would still be faster than riding a cab to and from Manhattan (not to mention of being a greener option, but totally understandable that some would still prefer riding for hire rides).

    third, yes it’s true that all major capital program projects are susceptible to the cost and schedule overruns. Clearly, this would be true even if the N & W subway alternative is to be selected (which by the way, would cost significantly more to build (think heavy rail tech, much longer trains, limited space to get to and at the airport to build 600 foot stations to accommodate 8 or 10 car subway trains, longer headways etc.). But I’m sure that the author is well aware of these constraints.

    and fourth, the most AT and airport passengers (per current and future LGA flight schedule) would be going in the opposite directions of subway and LIRR’s patrons. Note that most LGA’s departure flights are in the morning, with majority of arrival flights scheduled for later afternoons. So, the airport passengers would be heading out of town (riding emptier LIRR and 7 Line trains), while “locals” would be commuting towards Manhattan, and vice versa.

    just a few thoughts to think about. :)

    • Nat
      Posted August 22, 2021 at 6:45 pm

      The author obviously has this boilerplate opinion piece stored in his WORD documents library and uploads it en masse to the weekly publications.
      The author posted this opinion piece 8/16/2021. Six days earlier, Andrew Cuomo – right or wrong, justified or not – became political toast. Yet the author states this project will benefit Governor Cuomo.

  • Nat
    Posted August 22, 2021 at 6:40 pm

    Another point: the article is dated August 16, 2021. Six days before, Governor Cuomo – justified or not – became toast. Obviously this is one of the articles the author keeps store in his WORD documents library and just uploads without even checking.
    Excellent rebuttal, Charlie.

  • John S
    Posted October 15, 2021 at 11:13 pm

    The Astoria line extension makes the most sense. Alas, it will never happen. The Port Authority is not going to allow the MTA into their fiefdom. If they were willing to, you would’ve had a one seat ride off of the Rockaway line into JFK. This would have been accomplished by elevating the out of service F3 and F4 tracks on the Rockaway line and connecting them directly to the air train. As for connecting the Astoria line to North Beach, elevating the center track and constructing a swing out from G2 track to run over and along the Grand Central Parkway would require little condemnation of private property and save money. It’s outrageous that SEPTA goes directly into PIA, the CTA goes into terminal 3 at O’Hare and the great MTA and Port Authority can’t provide a one seat ride from any of the three airports into Manhattan.

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