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Opinion: West Park Presbyterian and Rethinking Our Relationship with Landmarking

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  • New York Native
    Posted August 22, 2022 at 9:00 pm

    Austin Celestin also was an intern at the Real Estate Board of New York during the summer of 2022. He is entitled to his opinion but readers should be aware of his affiliations.

  • Pedestrian
    Posted August 23, 2022 at 7:59 am

    It is always both interesting and disheartening to read the sad musings of someone , young or old, who views everything as a transaction and makes assumptions that are simply wrong. Preservation doesn’t block economic growth or the provision of housing. Preservation is a people focused process. In fact preservation, in many instances if not all, preserves housing, often affordable housing, and is good for the environment. Preservation doesn’t seek to freeze neighborhoods or buildings in Amber rather it encourages rehab and good solid maintenance both of which support employment and serve to protect the environment and decrease waste of precious resources. When neighborhoods are preserved people flourish and benefit from the social networks they have come to rely on for support and continuity. The demolition of human scale buildings, landmarked or not, displaces residents and provides little to people who have built this City and raises rents and housing costs among other things. In many instances if not all this displacement makes neighborhoods less diverse as the resultant projects are more often than not luxury condos or market rental units!

    Demolition will provide money making opportunities for developers and owners., e.g. the Presbytery will receive a $30 million windfall when the church is destroyed. The church has enjoyed many years of tax free existence. ( This is true about every religious entity.). But now it wants to cash in and views the public as an obstacle. Tax exemptions are not free; someone pays for them. The public does!

    As to the desire of the author and the Presbytery to shake of the process of demolition by neglect that has left West Park in its sad state, it is a tried and true strategy used by owners to avoid doing the right thing…maintaining their property. If you or I allowed our building …condo, coop or single family dwelling to deteriorate to the extent that the Presbytery, by its own admission, has done we would not get away with it! Why should the they be able to profit from it? Why don’t the rules apply to them?

    The author buys or is trying to sell the argument that West Park Church received no support from the community. That is absolutely false. Sadly I’m not sure he cares about the facts because they don’t fit his bias against preservation. His work with REBNY has clearly colored his views on everything from preservation to zoning. He, of course, has the right to his own opinion but not to his own facts.

    Preservation is a public good. It serves all communities in NYC. Of course developers don’t care about the public good and they would argue that isn’t their job even while many work hard to obtain all sorts of public support for their money making projects. Communities must speak up and guard their own integrity and history. We know that the City won’t do it. We have seen too many neighborhoods trashed in the name of progress and money. Communities, more often than not, losing and particularly minority communities losing the most.

    • Ground Control
      Posted August 23, 2022 at 4:48 pm

      Very well said Pedestrian. The author is a member of the pro-development quasi-real estate lobbying group Open New York which professes to want to build “affordable housing” by rezoning every neighborhood in New York including historic districts. Only thing is like everywhere else the bulk of what gets built will be luxury housing as is the case (Soho rezoning anyone?) in the development imagined if West Park turns to red dust as those promoting this development hope. And the Presbytery sees a cool $33 million at the cost of another lost historic treasure of this city and this community.

      Should the Landmarks Preservation Commission be reformed? Sure. But not by the Real Estate Board of New York and their minions.

      “As to the desire of the author and the Presbytery to shake off the process of demolition by neglect that has left West Park in its sad state, it is a tried and true strategy used by owners to avoid doing the right thing…maintaining their property. If you or I allowed our building …condo, coop or single family dwelling to deteriorate to the extent that the Presbytery, by its own admission, has done we would not get away with it! Why should the they be able to profit from it? Why don’t the rules apply to them?
      The author buys or is trying to sell the argument that West Park Church received no support from the community. That is absolutely false. Sadly I’m not sure he cares about the facts because they don’t fit his bias against preservation. His work with REBNY has clearly colored his views on everything from preservation to zoning. He, of course, has the right to his own opinion but not to his own facts”.

      • SvenLagerman
        Posted March 30, 2023 at 1:34 pm

        What help has the community provided? L

  • John L Young
    Posted August 23, 2022 at 11:17 am

    Targeting churches for development projects have a long history, usually with a new facility joining the buy-out windfall, say, like CitiCorp’s megaplex. Some proceed, others don’t (yet) like St Bartholomew’s. Pretty common in all cases are packing the church’s board with members sympathetic to development, along with similarly-minded in community boards.

    Churches in NYC and elsewhere are prominent property owners and investors, Trinity Church downtown a leader but hardly alone. A contributor to this practice are the tax benefits of donating property to a tax-free institution.

    Churches are often the most distinguished architecture in neighborhoods. There are host of them surrounding West Park, many landmarked but not all. It is curious that those most likely to be targeted for buy-out are in dire-straits and poorly maintained, as if being prepared for welcomed attack while others appear to be doing quite well, properly cared for, amply attended.

    The jokes about “the church building fund” as a destination for the unscrupulous is not misplaced. Same goes for most non-profit institutions, universities, hospitals, museums, schools, clubs, missionaries. Giant multi-buildings enterprises have arisen using this mantra, as well a minuscule storefronts.

    West Park might well become a permanent storefront for a variety of public service organizations. That would continue its previous role in that kind of social benefits. Down West 86th Street, St Patricks has evolved into a top supplier to the needy after it too tried get de-landmarked for development.

    What UWS needs, like other stressed parts of the city, are more public services for the needy and less of the high-priced condos proliferating like a pandemic. Saving West Park would be a far superior as a center for aid than as a prostituted emblem of devilish us-too shenanigans.

  • Whoisthiscityfor?
    Posted August 23, 2022 at 1:16 pm

    Totally agree with pedestrian’s comments above. Religious entities benefit from their tax-free status, and all the city’s infrastructure for many, many years. Some of the biggest land owners in the city are religious organizations. The citizenry have supported this church for many years. Trying to demolishing it by neglect was how they repaid the debt. And now they want to cash in?
    I agree with the ex-REBNY intern, we do need to re-examine our relationship with landmarking. We need to improve how LPC protects our city, its buildings, and our heritage. LPC allowed the demolition of the Dangler mansion to move ahead. They are also complicit in allowing HHC build an out-of-context tower in the South Street Seaport historic district. Shame on LPC and shame on the Presbytery

    • Martha
      Posted August 30, 2022 at 10:53 pm

      Seriously? If it weren’t for the tax free status, the property would have been sold 5 decades ago and turned into craptasic architecture in the 1970s when (all) church attendance in the city fell off a cliff.

  • Neighbor 875
    Posted August 23, 2022 at 2:29 pm

    Austin, you weaken your case and reveal what looks like pro-REB bias when you lapse into the straw-man argument that historic preservation [might?] freeze a neighborhood in amber. Clearly, no one is advocating NO building. And like apologists for the REB, you extol the vision of as many people as possible living among historic monuments … while at the same time you promote a luxury tower to replace the church you want demolished– a tower that will provide no affordable housing. We have too many examples even of smaller apartment buildings being demolished to make way for a tower that vastly exceeds the previous building/s in square footage but contains FEWER dwelling units. Please drop the rhetoric of “affordable housing” when in fact the desideratum is yet another luxury tower.

    You are right that in religious groups w/ falling attendance, upkeep of buildings is a challenge. I’m sure you know how hard it is to maintain the historic cathedrals of England.

    https://evangelicalfocus.com/europe/14631/english-cathedrals-need-140-million-to-be-sustained-over-the-next-5-years

    Still, is St. Albans Cathedral, where I had to pay maybe 10 quid to get in (I forget how much now), better off knocked down to make way for (luxury) condo towers? Or imagine Troia in Puglia demolishing its Romanesque cathedral to put up… I say no more.

    West Park Pres, if it is bought by the Center, has a shot at a stronger fund-raising basis.

    Finally, please consider more deeply the notion of a human-scale city.

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