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The Obstacles Facing Single-Payer in New York are Precisely Why People Want It

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  • A H
    Posted December 12, 2018 at 6:35 pm

    Opponents to single payer argue that “what’s at stake here is not a right to healthcare but the obligation to pay something for it.” That is so unfair to ask consumers to share the burden of payment when there is ZERO price transparency. I have a silver plan with Fidelis with a high deductible. I have a hip injury and was completely unable to find out how much the MRI, sports medicine consultation, and physical therapy will cost me out of pocket. The provider tells me to call Fidelis and Fidelis tells me to call the provider and round and round we go. If after a dozen calls I get an estimate, it is usually wrong. I went to a sports medicine provider who, after a three hour wait, did nothing more than take 15 minutes to prescribe an MRI. I was told the visit would be $200, it was $500! Because I don’t know what the costs will be and whether I can afford them, I have not continued seeking treatment. When people do this, costs go up when the condition becomes more severe.
    This system is totally rigged against the consumer!
    And also, why should only union employees get good healthcare? I’d love to join a union- but it’s not available to me!

  • Steven Cecchini
    Posted December 14, 2018 at 10:00 am

    The cost of keeping people in their homes by providing long term care was included in the Rand estimate that came in at $139 billion. It does not jump higher from there.

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      Jarrett Murphy
      Posted December 14, 2018 at 6:14 pm

      Dick Gottfried believes it does. From his testimony to the City Council last week:

      “How much tax revenue will we need? With the net savings, we’ll need $129 billion from the NY Health taxes. When we add home care and nursing home care, we’ll need $159 billion.”

      https://www.dickgottfried.org/testimony-on-the-new-york-health-act-before-the-new-york-city-council/

      From Rand:

      “Adding coverage of long-term care benefits to NYH would increase program costs by approximately $18 billion to $22 billion each year between 2022 and 2031”

      https://www.rand.org/pubs/research_reports/RR2424.html

      • nyc111
        Posted December 16, 2018 at 7:45 pm

        At least Gottfried is honest. What makes proponents of NY Socialized Medicine think that doctors will in effect accept a pay cut? Under Obamacare many doctors opted to retire. Single-Payer will have a similar effect in New York, driving physicians out of the state. All Single payer will mean is that New Yorkers will eventually end up with Venezuela quality health care. Everyone is equally treated like sh*t.

        Why not let existing private health insurance plans compete with Single Payer? Is NY afraid of competition?

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          Jarrett Murphy
          Posted December 17, 2018 at 7:46 am

          The notion that there was an exodus of doctors under ACA has been debunked:
          https://www.factcheck.org/2017/03/physician-numbers-up-under-obamacare/

          During the debate over Obamacare, many advocates wanted a public option to do precisely what you suggest; the insurance companies hated the idea. And there would be the problem of the private firms picking off healthier and more affluent people, and therefore creating a very lucrative risk pool for themselves while leaving a harder to insure population for single payer.

          • nyc111
            Posted December 17, 2018 at 3:30 pm

            But shouldn’t someone who is willing to pay more for a better health plan with their own money be able to?

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            Jarrett Murphy
            Posted December 17, 2018 at 4:28 pm

            Why should someone who does not have that kind of money have to accept an inferior plan?

  • nyc111
    Posted December 16, 2018 at 7:49 pm

    Another thing. Why would an employee of a firm which currently offers a health plan better than NY Single Payer be forced to accept the inferior NY Single Payer?

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      Jarrett Murphy
      Posted December 17, 2018 at 7:51 am

      Because single payer means single payer. If other plans were permitted to survive, the risk pooling, administrative streamlining and monopsonist attributes of single payer get eroded.

      • nyc111
        Posted December 17, 2018 at 3:28 pm

        Even if the other plans are better and consumers are happy with them? Competition will keep everybody honest.

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          Jarrett Murphy
          Posted December 17, 2018 at 4:31 pm

          Competition plays an important role in some areas of the economy but there are a lot of reasons it doesn’t necessarily work for healthcare, and especially health insurance: asymmetric information, agency issues, public good, etc.

  • Jon Tore
    Posted January 11, 2019 at 1:37 am

    Jarrett Murphy
    1) What about public employees that arecretired? They do not pay income taxes & are not on anybody’s payroll.
    2) Then what happens to public employee retirees that have moved out of NYS? They continue to have the earned health insurance. But if that ends, they will have no coverage, as they are no longer residents of NYS, so they would not be eligible for the new propsed single payer plan!
    Thanks

  • Linda Walker
    Posted January 11, 2019 at 10:51 am

    NY has lost it’s mind and democrats have gotten even dumber. On the flip side of this I think FINALLY you will see unions ceasing to support the liberal agenda. I work as an administrative healthcare consultant. In 2010-2013 I watched doctors RUN from Medicare or retire. They won’t stand for anymore pay cuts.

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