Skip to content Skip to sidebar Skip to footer

Downzoning Differences: Clash Over Housing Projections Led to Bushwick Stalemate

22 Comments

  • mistah man 858
    Posted March 6, 2020 at 6:03 pm

    8.5 million people is enough for NYC and Bushwick is crowded enough!

  • Pandemic Hysteria
    Posted March 7, 2020 at 7:41 pm

    Sounds a lot like DJT, America is Full!

  • build in bushwick
    Posted March 8, 2020 at 12:03 pm

    Start with all the vacant land that the city has been sitting on for years!! – https://pc.cd/KrF

  • Anna Shapiro
    Posted March 9, 2020 at 5:17 pm

    Bravo, City Limits, as usual. City gov’t is owned by developers. It should be almost automatic that community plans become policy—that’s democracy. Profit mongers hate democracy. There should be no City v. Community; the city is its communities.

  • Jose
    Posted March 9, 2020 at 8:19 pm

    The days of people walking their pit bull and selling dime bags are over. If you don’t want to move to Reading, PA, you are going to have to get smart and work very hard. The area isn’t changing in your favor. It’s so sad, the dead enders who scream that this is “MY neighborhood” but after 4 generations the family doesn’t own a two-family. Please don’t hate the free market and turn to Marxism. That’s just poring gasoline on the fire that’s pushing you out.

    • Jarrett Murphy
      Posted March 10, 2020 at 6:31 am

      So, what you’re saying, Jose, is that the only reasons why a family might not own a two-bedroom house in a gentrifying neighborhood or be concerned about displacement is if they:

      a) sell drugs
      b) are stupid, or
      c) are lazy.

      and if they don’t embrace the current version of a “free market” (complete with mortgage interest tax deductions, property tax breaks, etc.), they are Marxists?

      It must be nice to live in so simple a world. What does one need to ingest to get there?

      • Jose
        Posted March 10, 2020 at 11:27 pm

        Nah man, I said two-family. That way one apartment pays the mortgage. Can you read? You’re also putting words in my mouth because you’re hysterical someone disagrees with your righteous high horse.

        If you don’t believe that the freedom going to live in some other part of the country will benefit you, then you are lazy, stupid, and possibly on drugs.

        You’d probably agree generations of white people who live in Washington and Oregon states who traditionally clear cut timber need to find a new job.

        And if finding a new job means those white people can’t live in Portland or Eugene anymore then I imagine, in your world, that’s just too bad. Am-I-right????

        You probably also believe the generations of coal miners in West Virginia and Kentucky need to figure out a new line of work. And if that means they can’t live in their blue mountain paradise, that they can’t AFFORD the live where they have traditionally lived for GENERATIONS… then they should pick up and move to wherever there’s opportunity.

        You probably think, hey that’s just what needs to happen. You probably believe that. Unless you think we should just build them housing and give them resources to keep living there because that’s the right thing to do.

        Times change, people move around America freely because of jobs. Boom towns came, setup, and left when the copper ran out.

        No one group of people owns an entire neighborhood. Maybe a Native American reservation, okay. But anyone can move anywhere. I moved all over America and I don’t feel like I was kicked around even when I was legitimately “displaced”. It’s not a “fair” world. No where does it say “life, liberty and the pursuit of fairness”. You all need to grow up. Gentrification is a giant whatever. People are free to move around.

        Your version of free market is like Cuba. Google what’s going on there now. All my friends in Havana are living without toothpaste. You want to live without toilet paper? And if it’s so great, let them decide to leave! The island would be empty. You can’t even relocate within that nation. Imagine that! Imagine not being able to legally relocate to Miami, LA, Seattle, wherever! You’re blind to how good we have it.

        • Jarrett Murphy
          Posted March 11, 2020 at 8:30 am

          Wow. The guy who dismisses thousands of people as felonious, stupid or lazy says I’m on a high horse. At least irony isn’t dead. Of course we should invest public money to keep timber-cutting and coal-mining communities intact. Wherever the market has led working-class people into a dead end, society has an obligation to help. And whatever the merits or demerits of the Brooklyn Community Plan, comparing a contextual rezoning proposal to Cuban communism is flatly absurd.

          I am well aware of how good some of us have it. I just don’t think that justifies screwing everybody else.

          • Jose
            Posted March 11, 2020 at 12:35 pm

            So we should listen to the Bushwick Community Plan because that’s local residents participating democratically, but when the same local residents don’t want any more homeless shelters let’s throw the local democratic process out the window, right? That’s basically Reynoso. What a bunch of children. We need housing. Not a rezoning that adds a zero sum gain to what is currently legal to build. Why even rezone if that’s the conclusion?

          • Jose
            Posted March 11, 2020 at 8:13 pm

            Screwing everyone else is using ethnicity and “gentrification” to defend a FYIGM agenda. Which is what the Bushwick community plan was.

          • Jarrett Murphy
            Posted March 12, 2020 at 7:52 am

            Yes. 1500 new affordable apartments in the BCP. That means 3000 or more folks on the subways platforms and in the parks, in line at the supermarket, looking for parking. Very exclusionary of Reynoso and company to demand that, while permitting only thousands of market-rate apartments as per current zoning. How dare they!

          • Jose
            Posted March 13, 2020 at 3:48 pm

            To rely on your version of democracy would be insane. The “people” of Bushwick don’t get wholesale decision making on land use. We may as well let each land owner vote for what they can do with their own parcel. You have a limited and close mind to different opinions.

          • Jarrett Murphy
            Posted March 15, 2020 at 8:46 am

            Jose, ask yourself a question: If my mind were closed to other opinions, why would I keep posting yours on the website I run?

            If Bushwick doesn’t get to decide its future, who does? And if that decision-making entity treats Bushwick unfairly compared with other areas, what recourse is there for those who would prefer to see a city that grows equitably?

            It’s fair to argue that the BCP didn’t do enough to embrace the citywide goal of more density. You can make the argument that the Plan’s merely permitting the amount of market-rate housing that’s now as-of-right is not enough, even with the 1500 or so affordable apartments tacked on. You can also make the argument that, whatever the merits of the BCP’s unit number, it overestimates how many of those market-rate units would actually get built under their proposed zoning.

            But even if one accepts those criticisms, at least the BCP accepts new units. Some neighborhoods during the Bloomberg administration, which rezoned 40 percent of the city, got to lock in zoning that effectively permitted no new growth, or far, far less than would have been as-of-right. And some of those areas where not transit deserts or otherwise poorly suited to more density.

            Note that the Bushwick process stalled when the city refused to even add the BCP to the environmental review. That would have, in theory at least, allowed the plans to be sized up side by side. Its curious that they city did’t want that comparison to occur.

          • Jose
            Posted March 21, 2020 at 7:40 pm

            A second point I continue to comment on is the failure of Mr. Reynoso to champion the collective Bushwick opinion that we are fully saturated with homeless shelters. He seems to believe in the “democracy” of his local meetings which produce the BCP, but ignores the local sentiment against additional homeless shelters in our district, which is housing MORE than its fair share. This failure is on Mr. Reynoso’s part is as academic as 1+1=2.

    • Captplanet
      Posted March 10, 2020 at 8:53 am

      Marxism!?!? Please consider democratic Socialism. Don’t be Mr Scaredypants.

    • Jose
      Posted March 21, 2020 at 7:41 pm

      My entire point is that Bushwick is NOT making it’s decision. The BCP was not Bushwick. As a pro-development voice, I would have wasted my time going to endless meetings. Same with my entire constituents who also believe strongly that we need housing, not idiots pretending to be democratic while steamrolling over all other voices. Perhaps the city understood the same issue as they were privy to ALL voices, by welcoming all input, something the BCP did NOT. A point you continue to ignore.

      Also, I will put this right here:

      https://www.crainsnewyork.com/real-estate/gentrification-wars-studies-doubt-new-yorkers-are-being-pushed-out

      Because, hey, you’re open minded!!!

      • Jarrett Murphy
        Posted March 22, 2020 at 7:07 pm

        Actually, yes — I wrote five years ago about the fact that some research doesn’t ratify the simplest version of the displacement story. Fact is, the research is pretty bad at validating any version of what’s going on. That Crain’s article was weird — a lot of that research came out months ago, but Crain’s treated it as breaking news. The Furman Study raised some interesting points, but the City Planning certainly didn’t prove that displacement didn’t occur.

        As fas ignoring you point, I’m not. I’m just not going to credit A) your decision not to participate in the BCP as proof that they would have ignored you or B) your contention that the city judiciously took all opinions into account as proof that either is true. Again, ask yourself: Why did the city not add the BCP to the environmental review? What would have been so damaging about a side by side comparison? Isn’t it odd that th BCP welcomed that, but the city didn’t?

        • Jose
          Posted March 24, 2020 at 10:40 am

          The city was very wise. Instead of wasting additional resources, in order to develop a plan which very likely would have been shut down by the insidious politicians who ultimately need to okay the rezoning, the city punted.

          If councilmen Espinal and Reynoso who share Bushwick had said no after much additional work and compromise, the city council would have followed their lead and not okay’ed the rezoning. It would have simply been a waste of the city’s time and a bad positioning for whenever this does happen.

          The city choosing to wait for new councilmen and a new mayor is incredibly wise. Espinal has since resigned from a public office he was elected to, which is extremely unethical in my opinion. The plan they developed can be re-activated once Reynoso is termed out and moves on to the public sector, or the role of a powerless borough president who has no role in ULURP (he would basically be a cheerleader).

          A second point I continue to comment on is the failure of Mr. Reynoso to champion the collective Bushwick opinion that we are fully saturated with homeless shelters. He seems to believe in the “democracy” of his local meetings which produce the BCP, but ignores the local sentiment against additional homeless shelters in our district, which is housing MORE than its fair share.

          This failure is on Mr. Reynoso’s part is as academic as 1+1=2. I guess your position as an opinionated journalist is not to comment, as it could hurt your relationship with his office. I can respect that.

          • Jarrett Murphy
            Posted March 24, 2020 at 11:46 am

            Right, because — by your logic — I’ve got to preserve my relationship with a lame-duck Councilman who might become a toothless borough president. Golly, I hope so! Can you imagine the wealth and fame that await if I keep that potent soup simmering?

            I don’t know what Reynoso’s stance on shelters has been or whether it is at odds with the larger neighborhood’s, but I’d note that many local organizations–including the community board–are allied with him on the BCP. It is possible that, even as a group, they don’t reflect the bulk of opinion in the area. It is also possible, and please don’t take this as hurtful, that you don’t either.

          • Jose
            Posted March 24, 2020 at 6:11 pm

            I’m glad the city punted. Next time maybe they can go from M to R. Reynoso couldn’t care. He is a career politician. He just wants to come out looking like he protected the majority of the population. The whole thing is yawn.

  • Scott
    Posted March 31, 2020 at 2:49 pm

    By shutting down all talks, both sides lose. I recognize the need for affordable housing, but asking for 100% affordable and no other M to R is just not reasonable. Developers cannot make money on privately owned sites by building fully affordable housing. The numbers just don’t work – its very simple, if revenue is less than expenses, then it’s a loss. The city can give away sites and pay developers fees to build fully affordable housing, but that math doesn’t work on privately owned land. There has to be a balance.

    Those in favor of nothing happening talks about displacement – how is displacement even possible now that stabilized/controlled units are forever regulated. As long as people pay their rent, they can never be displaced. Reynoso talks about preserving jobs – the only real major employer in Bushwick is boars head. How long do you think until they leave because traffic is so onerous to navigate around the density. Manufacturing does not work next to residential. If Reynoso was so concerned about jobs, he would allow higher density office, or hotel – which would employ a number of people. Doing nothing is NOT the solution nor will it ever hold up in the long run.

  • Trackback: Fine Young Politicos – grime square

Leave a comment

0/5

To better help City Limits know and serve our community, please select all that apply: