33 thoughts on “Crackdown on Landlords Who Rebuff Section 8

  1. Section-8 tenants are the absolute bottom of the barrel. No one wants them because they are disruptive and bring criminal activity with them. One couple in my neighborhood bought a home next to theirs and rents it to Sec-8 losers. They have an illegal apartment in the basement of the house. They also did not register the property with HPD as they are required to. These infractions have been reported to the nycdob and nychpd.

    I also think the NYC law is unconstitutional. A landlord should have the right to refuse a source of income.

    • i have NEVER EVER HEARD nice things about renting to section 8 tenants.. its not about discrimination for being poor its about discrimination because you are a horrible tenant.

      its time for city limits to GROW UP and realize behavior matters no matter what color you are

      • Really I am a College Graduate from USD, there was a window of opportunity when they were letting people who weren’t making enough money from their jobs, and I was lucky enough to find it, they don’t have that program anymore they had it for 3 years. However, I am still on Section 8, now you are one of the many that stereotype individuals based on their income. That is what is what is wrong with this country, are you related to Donald Trump? I think you’d be best to be much more open minded. I would like to see how you felt if you had children and were a single mother, not that I am, I am getting married, young, beautiful and intelligent, and I am tired of people grouping others in a stereotypical fashion, are you a fascist by the way?

        • Anna,

          I’m a real estate agent… if you know of any places around where you live in NYC that accepts vouchers without discrimination, please let me know and I will share my commission with you. I’m trying to find units for at least three people. Good folks just need a place to live so they can get back on track and start working again. Being in a shelter has made it pretty difficult to them, one is a college grad … but it doesn’t really mean much when you have no where to live. If you can help, please call me at 917-723-9014 … or text is fine too.

        • Yes, Section 8 tenants have stigmas but they are not discriminatory in nature. Section 8 tenants have earned those stigmas based on their predictably irresponsible and reckless habits. Of course, it’s not all Section 8 tenants but it does appear to be the vast majority of them. As property and landlords, we are business people who need the most business sound decisions…be that whatever presents the least amount of maintenance resulting in a nice ROI and cost benefit analysis. Nobody gets into investing to lose money because some nuance like Section 8 tenants are a tremendous burden. Section 8 tenants have nothing to lose. The federal government is paying most of their rent. All the risk is levied on the property owner, which makes Section 8 tenants a very risky endeavor.

    • Just as a baker or a photographer should have the right to refuse service because of religious belief? Just as men should not be allowed into a restroom or a locker room shower with little girls? We are descending into 1984.

    • Who the hell rents a place out without doing background checks or asking previous landlords for a character reference or rental history ? Please don’t put us all in the same boat … I keep my place spotless and pay my rent EVERY month. I have never been aressested in my life and always respect my neighbors. I cannot find a bigger place because of landlords who think like you!

      You know I could do the same thing here and say that landlords who rent out to Section 8 tenants are greedy slum lords who never keep up with their property and never fix a thing ! But I don’t… although some are I do my research before moving in somewhere, something you should be doing with tenants as well. Shame on you. !

        • No, SHE PAYS HER RENT! Just because she needs a little help to make ends meet doesn’t mean she isn’t doing her part. I get sick of people wanting to open their mouths with nothing intelligent to say. A lot of these people that you classless people are calling “bottom of the barrel” are working or students just looking for a break. There are nasty, disruptive people that don’t use any kind of assistance and what do you call them? I have people in and out of my office daily looking to collect workers comp when there is absolutely nothing wrong with them they just don’t want to work, but yet have nice homes and smart watches, etc. Making things look bad for the truly unlucky few, just the same as in the section 8 program. You simply can’t group people together based off a singular bad encounter. I could call you a slumlord because my previous landlord was an absolute ass, but I don’t know you and would never make that assumption. You know what they say about one who assumes. Shame on you!

          Stop judging those you know nothing about and spreading your ignorance in the atmosphere. It can catch like a viral disease.

      • All I can say is, I pay my rent on time every month, Sometimes 2-3 months in advance. I keep my apartment clean and I keep to my self. Actually, I tried to move but my landlord is giving me the runaround. He says that I am his best tenant. So not all section 8 holders is the same. I’m still looking for a place in a nicer neighborhood, but I’m being told that my income has to be 40 times the rent, even if I have section 8.

    • I agree! Section 8 allows their tenants to beat the system against landlords. Most are career non payer tenants who know how to manuver through the system for years.

      • And the apartment vacancy law for landlords allow landlords to sit on their empty apartments however long and collect from the city so long as the apartments are empty. Under the notion that these land lords are not able to rent the apartments in a descent amount of time when actually they can but refuse to. Talk about landlord welfare hugh?. Are you one of those?????? Landlords know how to manuver through the court system also. Landlords also buy out lawyers and practice illegal behaviors for the all mighty dollar. Are you one of those?? please lie and say no.

    • Not all Section 8 tenants bringing criminal activity. Especially if their working they most likely wouldn’t have time to participate in criminal activity. I know I’ m to concerned about paying my bills. Now a lot if these landlords that take section 8 are unethical low down scum bags. Very nasty.

  2. I’m a landlord in another state and want you to answer these logical questions. Why would landlord turn down a government check, direct deposited to their account? The answer is experience! It has NOTHING TO DO WITH DISCRIMINATION AND EVERYTHING TO DO WITH EXPERIENCE. S8 inspects these houses ..before.. they move in and everything is working and in good condition or they fail inspection and won’t rent them. I have tried repeatedly to work with the renters. A very few work out. I threw out two last week.
    The first one, in two months, the police were called to her house 3 times. The last time I know of, we were over to check a leak, only to find the mother of 6, just getting home from jail at 8am. for public fighting! My property was hardly recognizable. They had used paintball guns on the inside walls. Poured different color nail polish all over the hardwood floors. There were 3ft by 4ft holes in the walls. Wrote grafitti all over the outside of the house and inside of the garage. The front windows were broke out because she had let her kids dig up the front yard and make mud balls and throw them at the house. They were still sticking to the front of the house. She had taken all the door knobs off and replaced with dead bolts, none of which we had a key to. We were lucky she was just coming home as we couldn’t have gotten in. The house was unbeleivably filthy. She had other people also living in the house. A 400 lb thing that wasn’t on the lease, living there to watch her kids (I guess just in case of an impromptu fight and being hauled off to jail in the middle of the night). When I gave her notice to move because of the sheer distruction, she really went to work tearing the place up. They tore the doors off the stove and frig., cut the hoses to the heating and air letting out all the free onn and distroying the air unit. They took something and punched about 20-30 holes in the ceilings in each room, tore the paneling off the walls in several rooms, stuffed bottle caps down both toilets, tore the handles off the faucets, tore the front door off and destroyed the door facing to the point the whole thing had to be replaced. Then she called the police and tried to file a report on.. ME,, saying ..I.. did it. She is 2nd generation welfare.
    The SECOND one I threw out last week, hadn’t paid her portion of the rent since she moved in last August. Not once! The city called me to say that she was so nasty the trash was spilling into the street and they had cleaned it up but the next time would be on me. I sent a worker out to look and he said he wouldn’t go in because of the stinch. I went out with an employee and found the front yard filthy. Non working washing machines thrown in the yard and black garbage bags thrown in the yard. It seems the pit bulls she owned (but against the lease) were tearing the bags open and the garbage was blowing down the hill and into the road. The garage was full of black garbage bags, full and bursting. The inside of the house was the same. All she ever had to do was get off her lazy butt and take the garbage to the and street. The garbage is picked up TWICE a week! There must have been 30 bags in the house and 20 in the garage. Her bedroom was full of half gallon ice cream tubs thrown in the floor and melted candy bars all in the carpet. When I gave her eviction, she turned her two pitbulls loose which immediatly attacked the neighbors chained up dog.
    I’m a 70 yr old little female. I had a big heart, but this is what I got for my troubles. I’ve also been attacked twice by them. Once I got a black eye, and the other time, I was knocked down, flat of my back. Since then, I never go to a house alone.
    Now, after reading this, do you think it is …FAIR.. to say people who have had this kind of experiences…MUST… rent to them?

    • Another thing, you can’t find a list of Sec-8 properties anywhere on the NYC Open Data website. It’s a big secret where our tax dollars are being spent.

      • this is very unfortunate sorry to hear this…however you do have good section 8 people who are good renters. I am not a section8 renter but my dealings with landlords not very pleasant. my current landlord over charged me on my rent and realty and brokers fees. Makes it hard for me to move without abandoning the apartment all of our money goes on rent due to the illegal rent raise. rent went from 1350 to 1700.00 in 4 yrs. the last landlord kept freezing me not providing me heat. very traumatizing. She would have heat but i could not. she would also beg me not to go to the city and complain but she left me no choice. I would pay her in advance rent and she still froze me. where is the happy medium here.

    • I MUST SAY, THAT WAS ALL WRONG DOING BY TENTANTS, NOT SECTION 8. I agree that it is understanding that you had some bad experiences with the people but not section 8 and it’s people of such who makes it hard for people who will be good tentants who have section 8 vouchers. I work daily with family who had been staying with parents and relatives who have gotten their section 8 vouchers and needing places to rent for themselves and their children but landlord are now refusing to help families that have not been giving an opportunity to have the comfort of being in their own place. The children are suffering more because they can not rest comfortable, they miss many days of schools because parents may have to shelter them where ever they can be. There has to be a solution to the problem and I believe if the HUD Section 8 Program and landlord are will to set down with me I can offer a solution that will help all three parties which are the HUD’s Housing Program, landlords and tenants and it will be a fair plan for all that are involve. I believe it will support all to have the plan I have and landlords and HUD will be able to house families with children with out the rejection of fear to rent and HUD inspection to fail their units. I have had this plan for years but now it’s time to bring it to the table because to many good people and families with children are affected by the landlord rejection of section 8 vouchers. We must understand we have more poor people and families with children than others and we need a housing solution than “REJECTION OF SECTION 8. Poor people have jobs that pays $9.00 or less an hour need help to pay their rent and if that help is being denied what are we thinking next that it will look like in our cities and communities. It’s to much homelessness already and if landlords keep rejecting families with children housing we are creating now a street society of more bitterness, angrier, violent in our community and not even landlord are going to be safe or any people going to be safe. If what that tenant did to your property when you gave notice that she had to move just think what it’s going to be like if housing doors are continually rejecting people and families with children now we are not just dealing with angry disappointed parents but now we got to deal with angry children even more.

    • No!!! I’m from Brooklyn NY , I know to fact ,these people or terrible and the city dose nothing to help the landlord. I had sections 8 Tennant for nine years ,it was nine years worth of trouble . Every month or twice a month HPD would come out for something that she did wrong into the apt .and you cant tell section 8 that the Tennant did it , itis your violation (landlord) why? andtop of that the apt was the worst apt into the building everything in her apt was broken , I mean everything. good news I did a holdovercase and she was gone . I know you’re pain i have been though it . yes the money is sure , but it’s come with pain . I want section 8 to pay more attention to we the landlord ,if we fixed and give you our apartment in goog conditions ,when the Tennant destroy the apt why they wolk away and leave us will the bills Landlords we need to do something about this . stop sections 8 until they fix their problem.

      • i think the city needs to stop coddling the landlords with the apartment vacancy fees. They need to lift the extensive discriminatory background checks on apartments that are renting for only 1250.00. Demanding that the prospective tenants make 60,000 a year for a 12k rent this rediculous. The more you give landlord incentive the more they crap on the people and get away with it. They need to put a band on illegal landlord behaviors and judges who allow these sorts of practices to continue. Lost files at he court house..lawyers being bought out by landlords to push tenants out. It a mess in the city. Tenant information being sold to the highest bidder (land lords and credit collectors). Major abuse major and getting away with it.

  3. Local political hacks, eager to garner votes from the entitlement community are passing these unconstitutional laws about Section 8 all over the country.

    Currently there is a case about to hit the Texas Supreme Court about this very issue. At hand is a local government (the city of Austin) passing a law mandating that private property owners must except Section 8. The reason this law is unconstitutional is simple, Section 8 is a VOLUNTARY Federal program that does not require anyone to participate in it if they chose not to.

    In recent years, far left socialist activists have been able to influence local governments to pass these mandate laws and regulations. Such laws take away private property owners rights, basically it means that the property owner is being forced to participate in a government program on the governments terms and are held prisoner by the government.

    Obviously this in unlawful and unconstitutional. The Texas case was filed after the city of Austin passed such a law. However, the law has not been implemented due to all of the lower Texas courts finding it unconstitutional. The Texas legislature recently passed a state law forbidding any county or city from passing these mandate laws. This law is in effect now (while the case is in the courts on the other law).

    When the Texas Supreme Court finds this law unconstitutional it will probably go to SCOTUS where it would get a 4/4 split decision and the lower court rulings would stand. Then you will see cases brought up in every city that has passed these laws and they will all be thrown out.

    The other major reason landlords don’t want to take Section 8 is that it is no longer profitable for them. They don’t get the amount of money they need from the government, the fines, fees and red tape increase with each passing year and HUD no longer pays for the damages left by Section 8 tenants. The average damages to a unit by a Section 8 tenant is $7,000.00. Who can afford to pay that over and over again?

    It’s time the entire program is revamped, no more lifetime benefits and no forcing landlords to accept it if they don’t want to participate. In the meantime to avoid trouble don’t advertise your properties, use word of mouth through your social or business connections and you won’t have to deal with it. Again, don’t advertise, in this market you don’t need to.

    • Landlords who don’t want to participate just need to require a 650 credit score. It’s not illegal (as long as you require it for all applicants) and it has the same effect as saying “no section 8” without violating the law.

      • Another thing with that…..another discriminatory practice… the 40x’s the rent thing. So you have good credit practice but need to have established the 40x’s the rent as part of income. What about that.. for a 1200.00 apartment in an ungentrifiable area in the bronx at that. PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS NOT A DISCRIMINATORY ACT??? WELL!!!!!

    • So if you deny everybody who have a section 8 vouchers, then where are these people and families going to do and go? Let’s not pretend we don’t know that much of this rejection of section 8 is discrimination against the poor because it is the poor who mostly have a section 8 voucher and let’s not pretend that we don’t know who for the most who else is a affected by the rejection of section 8 vouchers.
      In the long run landlords do not have to advertise, but at some points in time they will. Poor people hold the power and the Federal Government with the poor people hold the most power whether it seem as though it more power in the other direction of power. I believe the good is always rising to the top. I know it’s more good people with section 8 than those who have just been bad apples in the bunch. I also know some landlords are slumlords and many of them do not agree to follow section guide lines. We can not just put it all on the tenants this is a two sided story and it must not be over looked.

      I know of many landlords who just wouldn’t fix the normal wear and tear and when the tenants would make it known the landlords ignore the tenants complaints and when it’s reported to the section 8 now the landlord wants to make it hard for the tenant that paid their rent on time and did not damage the property, but because section inspectors comes out check the property normal break down like leaking toilet, leaking sink faucets, loose door hinges, none working furnaces, none working stove and none working refrigerator and so on, because I work in the communities I have learn and seen and witness landlord corruption toward good tenants, I’ve gone to court with tenants and I have seen and heard the corrupted lies and statement written by landlords against good section 8 tenants. I educate all the tenants I work with how to protect themselves with landlords and most of my families wins because they are knowledgeable of both their and landlord rights. We work with our families in the community to keep it right with landlords so when they decide to go wrong with the tenants a justice judge will rule fair. I suggest that we not just cast all the blame just on the section 8 tenants the landlords must also be responsible and must be
      held accountable also as well.

  4. You shouldn’t assume everyone within a group is the same. I pay my rent, I am more respectable then those without S8 and with a credit score that is significantly higher than most. I’m an educated, working, degree holding and law abiding citizen who just happens to have S8. I think landlords should do their research on a tenant before renting to them. If your tenant is in jail as much as you claim then they should have an extensive record by now. A lot of landlords are quick to make a dollar from their lis pendens income properties they hastily aquired during the bubble that they turn a blind eye. And then they’re surprised when their property is in shambles. I do my own research before renting. I have to see the neighborhood, see the behavior of the people in the building, sit with owner or management and gage their personality, and even search online for building violations or pending foreclosures. TREAT EVERY CASE INDIVIDUALLY, DO YOUR RESEARCH AND YOU WON’T HAVE THIS PROBLEM AGAIN.

  5. They are the sucubus of society. They use the system to their advantage. They purposely choose this life. They enjoy the section 8, medicaid, food stamps, free phones, while they have a man living with them and they demand more. Why take care of yourself and your own when there is a government that makes the middle class pay for all your wants? Eliminate Entitlements make these sucubus’ work.

    • You do realize, Mike, that many of the people receiving Medicaid, Food Stamps and Section 8 work, earning poverty wages that make it more affordable for you, me and other middle-class people to go to McDonald’s or stay at a hotel now and then?

    • I was not raised to be lazy, settle or take handouts from no one. I believe in that whatever energy you put into the return will be double. There’s no pride in not being able to take care of yourself, having to rely on the ‘system’ to take care of you. Which means loosing more control over your private life.

      Even though I have put over 30 years into the system, I never thought I would be on the ‘other’ end of things. It’s annoying hearing folks complain about people on government assistance, getting food stamps, standing in line at the county buildings.

      FYI- YOU NEVER KNOW WHAT YOUR STATUS IN LIFE WILL BE EACH MORNING WHEN YOU WAKE UP LIFE HOLDS NO PROMISES

      Just hope that it doesn’t ever change to where you are now looking for a pair a shoes from the same place the ones you are speaking of got theirs.

      The higher up, the harder the fall.

  6. Because some people still hold standards to personal responsibility. Providing shelter to yourself and your family is your responsibility not others.

    • It is a personal responsibility yes…. however there are many who can not afford it. What if the american dollar were to become obsolete? cant use the US dollar can’t pay rent become homeless……it would be your personal responsibility to feed your children..how…
      even better loss your job money ran out..what now still your personal responsibility to feed and cloth all of you or just you… with out help….. and those with an alternative source for feeding themselves etc look down on you because of your poor status. what then….. greedy people…..landlords do not know how to treat their tenants right….. I propose an overhaul in the court system with prejudice to landlords and lawyers and also tenants who practice unsavory behaviors.

  7. My first response is how sad that some can ruin it for others. However, everyone is different. I have put into the system since I was 16 years old and I will be 48 this month. Throughout these years I have seen how individuals abuse the system. Those that were fortunate to be approved for Section 8 have forever placed a social stigma for future vouchers holders.

    Unfortunately, I am now one of those voucher holders. I was injured in 2010 on a military base where I was a civilian employee. Because of my injuries I will never be able to work again. I am an educated woman with a degree in Computer Science, a Post-911 Veteran and now I am P.P.D(permanent partial disabled) who has been denied SSDI & SSI) My income has been reduced 75%. I have been homeless since moving back to California in 2011, living with over 5 different family members during that time.

    I finally broke down and applied for Section 8 because I need HELP. In Atlanta I was able to afford my own place on my reduced income, but here in SKY HIGH California having my own place is ‘California Dreaming’. So like I mentioned, I applied in 2015 and was accepted in November of last year. I was fortunate to have had my application pulled so fast. That however was due to the fact that I’m homeless, disabled, a veteran and a woman.

    All of the above brings me to my frustrated state at this very moment. I’ve been persistently apartment shopping since November 30. Either the listings are old, the information wasn’t completely accurate, the units were located in an area that I would NOT feel safe in living alone, listings are on an an affordable housing/low-income site yet it clearly states in the description “NO SECTION 8”! OR I was just denied after paying a application fee that included a credit check which I have now been dinged for because of bad credit.

    I explained to the leasing agent before I even took the application that I have been working on my credit for that past couple of years and the collections that are really having an adverse action on my reports are my student loans. FedLoan Servicing reported my status in default AFTER they referred me to apply for forgiveness with disabilitydischarge.com and was informed by Nelnet and myself that my application was received and being reviewed for approval. Once notification was sent out no changes were to be made on the accounts and they were not to contact me.

    Now I have almost 30K worth of student loans on my reports. The kicker is that less interest rates my loans total less than 15K. However, it has been a real battle getting my original SM Loans that were transferred to Department of Education be removed from my reports. D.o.E decided to transfer my loans to FedLoan Svcng. resulting in my credit score dropping and my debt tripling.

    You see its bad enough when you can no longer function physically in a normal way. For me to be disabled at 42 having to use a cane and then upgrade or downgrade however you look at it to a walker, having cervical surgery and unable to even take a shower, get dressed, cook, clean or play with my grandchildren because my levels are maxed out daily but struggling now to take care of my grandfather who had minor brain surgery last May and the icing on the cake is that I qualified for a housing voucher because my income is below the median but cant find a place of my own because of the selfish acts of other therefore resulting in negative reactions from those affected is freakin depressing and really pisses me off.

    I really hope that homeowners and management companies truly take the time to review each applicants situation individually. We have no control over what life dishes our way, things happens. But not everyone is bad and shouldn’t be punished for the ones that are.

    Owners need to complain to to PHA. PHA needs to effectively penalized those that take advantage of properties, programs and the government as whole. Because I’m paying their rent as well and cant even pay my own for lack of finding a rental.

    I’ve been reading HUD’s Landlord and Tenants Rights. Federal, state and local governments have laws set into place. Once a violation has been made by either party the other needs to legally go about having it corrected immediately. That way others aren’t penalized when they weren’t, aren’t and wont be the problem.

  8. Section8 is a mess!
    Tenants know the system like they know their first & last name. The agencies work with the tenants to get over on landlords all the time..
    Here’s a few examples..
    1. Tenant says the landlord is selling their house. So they have to move asap..
    2. Their older kids are in college. On their voucher but do not live with them..
    3. The 30% HUD, TBRA,NYCHA or working tenant pays NEVER stays the same. The tenant always loses their job at some point leaving the landlord stuck with the bill.
    4. Once they move in then the real tenant comes out! Never what they babble about during the interview.
    5. Most will say they have NO criminal record, have never been evicted or have no outstanding bills on credit score.. LIES!!!
    6. If the tenant is friendly with a HPD investigator. They will pay the agent to fine you illegally. Especially if tenant damaged your unit. This is to stop your rent payments so the tenant can move without owing…
    My suggestion to Landlords is to learn the system, screen your brokers & ALWAYS wrote ALL information down via letter or text when dealing with tenants on issues.
    The Law is still on the landlords side, but you will still have to pay for damages propert & loss rent from tenants.
    The system is broken!!!

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