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New Regional Plan Asks: Should We Shut Down the Subway at Night?

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  • Nancy Bruning
    Posted November 30, 2017 at 3:06 pm

    There are so many good ideas in here, except they seem to be based on the assumption of continued growth and consumerism. Which parts of this plan could be implemented so the people who are living here now live better lives?
    “RPA projects that by following the plan, the region can add 3.7 million people and 1.9 million jobs by 2040, as opposed to 1.8 million people and 850,000 jobs on its current trajectory.”

  • Charles Lupula
    Posted November 30, 2017 at 7:29 pm

    This is an inhumane idea that would cripple many industries overnight. As someone in the entertainment industry, many times I’ve had to do things like travel from Brooklyn to the Bronx and be there by 4am. This idea would put me out on the street. Me and thousands of others would be irreparably harmed by this madness. This is utterly disgusting and I would hope that this stays only a suggestion. Otherwise, you could very well see a very ugly period in New York’s history.

  • Chris Vivona
    Posted November 30, 2017 at 11:38 pm

    It’s already over crowded in the city so let’s increase to population by adding more affordable housing and more buildings because there is more land to accommodate them and we’re going to decrease transportation options. Oh wait there isn’t which is why the foot traffic in areas completely closed off the vehicles is a disaster and forcing 85,000 people onto buses during the night should make life better. Good grief.

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      Jarrett Murphy
      Posted December 1, 2017 at 7:06 am

      I think a lot would depend on the quality of the overnight bus service. I was living in London in 2002 when the Patriots were in the SuperBowl, which wrapped up at about 3 in the morning, hours after the Underground had stopped running. I thought it’d take me hours to get from the downtown bar to our apartment in an outlying area (Golders Green), but the bus got me home nearly as fast as a train would have. The London night bus routes were well laid out, and since there was no traffic and few riders the buses moved really swiftly. Maybe I just got lucky that night (or was too overjoyed to notice a crappy ride). But the fact is, for folks working the graveyard shift in New York City now, overnight train service ain’t exactly heaven on earth. The bar for an overnight bus alternative is pretty low.

      • Ken
        Posted December 1, 2017 at 10:00 am

        I agree that the bar may be low for overnight service. I am concerned about safety. I think there is a difference between waiting at 2:30 in the morning at a bus stop and a train station. Also, it might not be so nice to wait outside for a bus during the winter (if we ever have one). Also, if they prohibit entrance to the subways at night that may create a health hazard for the homeless that use the subways.

      • native new yorker
        Posted December 3, 2017 at 2:15 pm

        NYC runs 24/7. Using the ‘F’ train as an example a Coney-bound late-night bus would have to run down 5th to Broadway to the BBT. Then up the BQE for it’s first Brooklyn stop at York & Jay Street. From there down Jay to Court, the along 9th Street, PPW, PPSW through Park Circle to Ft. Ham Pkwy, then along McDonald Avenue (under the elevated line) to Neptune to Stillwell Avenue terminal. A Brighton line bus would have to run along Ocean Avenue, 4 blocks from the Brighton line stations, then along Neptune to to Coney Island. Bad idea.

    • native new yorker
      Posted December 3, 2017 at 2:20 pm

      Your right, 8,537,673 people in NYC is more than enough. Don’t worry. nothing the RPA proposes ever becomes reality.
      https://factfinder.census.gov/bkmk/cf/1.0/en/place/New York city, New York/POPULATION/PEP_EST

  • jo
    Posted December 4, 2017 at 12:47 pm

    “Out of a daily ridership that averages more than 5.6 million, only about 85,000 people typically are on the trains at any one time between 12:30 a.m. and 5 a.m. ”

    this is a misleading comparison. the numbers being compared need to be in the same terms. the number to compare to the total daily ridership of 5.6 million is the total number of riders during the 12:30-5 period. the appropriate figure to compare to the “85k typically on the trains at one point in time between 12:30-5” is a similar point estimate for, say, 8-6.

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      Jarrett Murphy
      Posted December 4, 2017 at 11:42 pm

      OK, how’s this: “Only 1.5 percent of weekday riders use the system between 12:30 am and 5 am.”

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