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50 Years After Debate Began on Fair Housing, Discrimination Still Damages NYC Neighborhoods

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  • native new yorker
    Posted July 26, 2016 at 9:56 am

    People want to live in safe neighborhoods. The sad reality over the last 70 years is that as more African-Americans move into a neighborhood crime goes up. I saw this happen starting in East New York in the early 1960s. Same thing occurred in East Flatbush, Flatbush and Canarsie. Middle Class people flee neighborhoods once their safety is threatened.

    • RIKKI
      Posted July 26, 2016 at 11:01 am

      exactly there was no such thing as “white flight” it was all about parents seeing the next generation of kids on a Jail track and not a college one so they moved….guess what Blacks did too.

    • Shelly G
      Posted July 28, 2016 at 12:51 pm

      The problem here is that you are only considering one dynamic — POC moving into a community. What else was going on at that time? The systemic racism, the unemployment rate among POC, the redlining. This author is pointing out how disinvestment INTENTIONALLY followed people of color — both public and private disinvestment — and yet you insist on suggesting that POC inherently cause disinvestment and crime. What do you expect to happen when the public and private sectors divest? Of course it was white flight (Rikki’s “exactly” is ridiculous) because white people have always understood, either consciously or intuitively, that disinvestment largely follows POC in the US. That’s how we set it up.

      • native new yorker
        Posted July 28, 2016 at 2:19 pm

        All I know is what I’ve seen living in NYC my entire life. The increase in street crimes like robberies an property crimes usually followed the increases in African-American population, overwhelmingly perpetrated by African-Americans.

  • Shelly G
    Posted July 28, 2016 at 12:42 pm

    You had me until you referred to “good” neighborhoods. Can we get away from value-laden terms to describe neighborhoods? Your “good” may not be my “good.” If you mean neighborhoods with low violent crime, then say that. If you mean neighborhoods with high owner-occupancy rates, say that. If you mean neighborhoods with high-performing schools, then say that. But suggesting there are “good” neighborhoods means you are suggesting there are “bad” neighborhoods and we all know that is measured by very limited traits.

    • native new yorker
      Posted July 28, 2016 at 2:59 pm

      For 99% of the people reading this a ‘good’ neighborhood means a low-crime neighborhood.

      • Shelly G
        Posted July 29, 2016 at 3:21 pm

        My point being, then the author should say “low-crime neighborhood.” Neighborhoods can be defined by a number of traits. The crime rate is only one. Is it appropriate to sum up an entire community as “bad” or “good” simply because of the crime rate? And what does it do to people within higher crime communities when (primarily) outsiders label their home simply based on the crime rate and/or perceptions of crime? How do you think that impacts investment (or lack of it) in communities? “Bad” and “good” are value-laden words that are unnecessary when we are talking about differences in communities and inequality in the housing market.

        • native new yorker
          Posted July 29, 2016 at 3:34 pm

          OMG. ‘Good’ and ‘Bad’ in NYC has always referred to the crime rate in a given area. That may not be fair but that’s just the way it is. Of course it impacts investment, investing in bad areas is riskier that investing in good areas. Although in NYC’s crazy real estate market that doesn’t always apply.

  • Jerry Krase
    Posted August 1, 2016 at 9:14 am

    right on the mark and thanks bill. judith n. desena and my book “Race, Class, and Gentrification in Brooklyn” (lexington books 2016) covers much of this territory as we also were community activists in the 1960s/70s. racism facilitated the failure and continues to do so today; as indicated by the comments below.

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