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Op-ed: NYU Controversy Shows it’s Time to Rethink City Planning Process

11 Comments

  • Clayvid Brazille
    Posted July 22, 2015 at 12:16 pm

    This corroborates (in great detail) what many New Yorkers feel: the planning process is symbolic placation, decisions are still made behind closed doors. Margaret Chin should be ashamed!

    • Willaim Leitold
      Posted July 23, 2015 at 2:51 pm

      Thank God that their are sensible decision makers with a wide sense of social responsibility, that can hide behind closed doors from the likes of you and your garbage can beating mob. I’m quite sure that several of the mob members have trust funds, else how could they all afford to be in the Village beating their cans and not be productively employed.

  • Willaim Leitold
    Posted July 22, 2015 at 3:55 pm

    It does not follow because Village residents did not get the outcome they sought; “no material development on the land”, that the process is defective. After all they also had “their day in court” and lost there too.
    In the big picture NYU is a very important employer providing 40,000+ NYC jobs, and thus also a substantial source of NYC income tax payments by NYU’s employees. NYU is also an important world class educational institution. Education is the KEY to the our cities’ progress, Americas’ progress and civilizations’ progress. NYU has a small endowment for a school of its size and importance. NYU does need to grow in order to fulfill its goals of expanding educational opportunities. They are located in one of the worlds most expensive real estate markets. So if NYU lost they would need to cut back on the basic mission of education, or raise tuition. The winner of this struggle if NYU loses, would be the very rich privileged people who live in Greenwich Village. Who’s interest do you prefer; educational opportunities and social progress, or the privileged lives of Village residents who want nothing (including any social responsibility to improve educational opportunities beyond annual alumni contributions to their Ivy League alma maters) to impinge their quite enjoyment of their rich privilege lives?

    • Clayvid Brazille
      Posted July 22, 2015 at 4:44 pm

      The point is to show that even a rich, organized constituency such as Greenwich Village was unable to affect the planning process at all or get any concessions from NYU in exchange for a public giveaway of land. If the wealthy, organized Greenwich residents couldn’t manage to change anything, do low-income communities stand any chance at all? It’s a commentary on the process as much as a commentary on the outcome.

      Yes, NYU is a big employer. But that doesn’t mean they own the public space or the people that they share the neighborhood with. If NYC doesn’t give them everything they want for free, do you really think they’re going to close their doors? Seems like the same old story of a big corporation crying wolf in order to extort tax breaks and free land out of a municipality. Further, NYU is hardly ‘expanding educational opportunities’ with their absurd tuition. Their expansion isn’t about increasing educational access, it’s about owning more land and generating more money.

      • Willaim Leitold
        Posted July 23, 2015 at 12:15 am

        The point is not Greenwich Village rich or poor; the outcome is good evidence that the process was just, being that the process was reviewed in both the political process, and in the courts. Low income communities stand every chance of derailing a faulty taking of land, if their claim has validity. You need to admit that as possible, or this discussion makes no sense other then you’re right in whatever you claim. In short why should the Village be able to shake down NYU for automatic concessions on its reasonable project, that is in the interests of the larger society?

        The point about NYU as a big employer is to remind you that NYU makes important contributions to our NYC government economy, as well as our culture and society.

        Your point about this binary choice is absurd; “doesn’t give them everything they want for free, do you really think they’re going to close their doors?” of course not. But that is hardly ever the choice; these kinds of choices happen on the MARGIN; their will be fewer classrooms, fewer departments, fewer students and ultimately less education and finally less progress. It’s not about NYU crying wolf, this story is about rich selfish privileged people not feeling any social responsibility to the society and civilization they live in; a culture of Greenwich Village narcissism; “me, mine and my – my dog used to crap there”.
        NYU is expanding educational access by creating more physical space for educational opportunity. For without new space, there will be no place for new students to “be” and thus no new educational opportunities for those students. NYU’s tuition is high, but only in the same way as all of higher education in this country has high tuition. Shall they wait for the whole US education system to be reformed before building? I think not. You seem to have missed my most obvious point, so let me make it simple for you; If NYU has to go spend a lot more money to buy more land so you and your selfish friends can keep this small odd piece of green building buffer (Washington Square Park is clearly not enough for you and your selfish neighbors; it would be a blessing from heaven for me) an amenity of small value to reasonable folks, then real educational opportunities are lost to society. Without this small amount of marginal land, NYU will have to spend a lot of money buying land ( you and your selfish neighbors will probably object to that purchase also) that could alternatively go to new class space, new scholarships, new programs and new student housing. In short you want to stifle education for chicken shit, because of selfish narcissistic people who know the value of nothing important.

        • whensly
          Posted July 23, 2015 at 1:10 pm

          NYU couldn’t have survived another day or taught another student without this colossal ridiculous land-grab.

          • Willaim Leitold
            Posted July 23, 2015 at 2:27 pm

            NYU survival is NOT the issue; if you want to create your own straw man and knock him over I will not reply again. The ISSUE is GROWING NYU and educational opportunities for the world, and how important that is to NYC, America and the world. The other issue is the trade off between the value of increased education and a small amount of green space around some buildings and the conflict that the loss of that green space brings with a silly small part of a Greenwich Village neighborhood that is full of narcissistic rich privaled people who prize this small green space above the universal value, support and need for education.

  • whensly
    Posted July 23, 2015 at 1:08 pm

    NYU should change it’s name to NYUR ” New York University Realtors”.

  • native new yorker
    Posted July 27, 2015 at 1:59 pm

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    • Jason Smith
      Posted June 20, 2016 at 1:58 pm

      felt like I was scrolling forever….

      • Jason Smith
        Posted June 20, 2016 at 1:59 pm

        doesn’t include property in Brooklyn. I’m sure they own property in other boroughs, right?

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