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NY State Must Clear Up Mystery of Missing Test Items

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  • Arthur Maisel
    Posted March 16, 2015 at 10:11 am

    One would think that in his 31 years in Albany—mostly as a spokesperson for various agencies—Mr. Tompkins would have learned how to give a “nonresponse response” without being snotty. But then how does someone who apparently doesn’t know much about the issue respond to an expert? With an attack and the hope that no one notice how lame it is.

    • Ji Yung
      Posted March 31, 2015 at 12:52 pm

      Agreed; Mr. Tompkins, please unbunch your panties and get over yourself. Your area of expertise is? Bureaucraticbullshit-ese? You had one job, Tompkins….one job…
      And while we’re co-opting Alexander Pope, here’s my version of ‘An Essay on Criticism’:

      A little learning is a dangerous thing
      Drink deep, or taste not the Pearson spring:
      Their shadowed questions only dull the brain,
      Embedded items waste kids’ time again.
      Mired at first sight with what the test imparts,
      Then teach to test, obscure science and arts
      While from the bounded level of our mind
      Short views we take to leave no child behind
      But more advanced behold with no surprise,
      The wool that’s being pulled over our eyes!

  • West Side parent
    Posted March 16, 2015 at 1:16 pm

    So this is in addition to the 6 or 7 (depending on which grade) field test questions which also DO NOT COUNT! Putting all the children through this when the questions are not well developed, i.e., not good enough, is a horror. Refuse the tests and join 60,000 others in NY state who did so last year. This has gone on long enough. Go to nysape.org or changethestakes.org for sample letters and information, which has NOT been forthcoming by NYSED. Refuse to be left in the dark. Refuse to let your children be treated like laboratory animals.

    • Jennifer Lee
      Posted October 1, 2015 at 7:14 am

      Pardon me for noticing, but the cliche is that EVERYTHING is a horror to a “West Side Parent”.
      I’m sharing your post on Sanctimommy! :)

  • Rickie
    Posted March 16, 2015 at 9:38 pm

    There is a teacher from Long Island who has filed suit about her score. The State postponed stating it needed time to amass its data. Doesn’t this say it all or am I being naive ?

  • Andrew
    Posted March 16, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    Mr. Tompkins would rather us all believe that “standard psychometric practice” is infallible, that standardized tests are entirely objective and unbiased, that test data is never misapplied, and that manipulation or fudging play absolutely no role in the fields of test development and psychometrics. Mr. Tompkins acts as if the proper role of testing has been decided, that the stakes will remain high and that tests will drive the reforms…Mr. Tompkins is simply towing the line…a mouthpiece for flawed policies. We must continue scrutinizing.

  • Rosalie Friend, Ph.D.
    Posted March 17, 2015 at 4:58 pm

    As an educational psychologist, I would support Fred Smith’s analysis. In creating a test, items must be analyzed and field tested to have an instrument which is balanced as far as difficulty, coverage of the designated standards, and accessibility across cultural communities. Adjustments have to be made before the test is administered. I wonder why these items were discarded after the test was administered. We really need transparency and checks and balances. Stand alone field tests are not likely to be as reliable as embedding items in actual tests – using numerous versions of each test so that only a few items are in each version – i.e. giving each to a representative sample of students under actual testing conditions. If these items were not suitable, they should have been removed before they were used in a test. Pearson and SED must be open about their procedures – or must be monitored by an independent group of experts (like Mr. Smith) and parents/citizens.

    • educator
      Posted March 17, 2015 at 11:52 pm

      I am completely agnostic on the NY tests, but really, you are talking out of your hat here. There is indeed a standard, accepted psychometric passage in which a small number of test items are pilot tested–tried out–among other items a scored test. The piloted items won’t be scored (if they yield favorable psychometric data, they’ll be used in subquently developed test forms). The reason for piloting items in this way is that students treat them as all the other items, because they don’t realize that they are being piloted. Another way of collecting psychometric data is to pilot an entire test. The drawback is that students, knowing it is a pilot test, rather than an “operational test,” may be less motivated to complete the items with care.

      • lettuceny
        Posted March 18, 2015 at 10:40 am

        So the bottom line is that our kids are guinea pigs. How sad!

        • educator
          Posted March 18, 2015 at 10:55 am

          Show me a teacher who hasn’t written a confusing test question and decided not to score it.

          • Jane Myers
            Posted March 22, 2015 at 10:13 am

            show me a teacher with a 500 million dollar contract to write test questions.

      • Arthur Maisel
        Posted April 1, 2015 at 10:25 am

        If I may say so, it is one thing to be agnostic about the existence of God. But for an “educator” to be agnostic about the test on which she or he is commenting is troubling. You are surely correct about “standard practice”—but then I’m equally sure that you can come up with all sorts of examples, both historical and contemporary, where what is “accepted” is wrong.

  • Aurelio Montemayor
    Posted March 17, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    All of the above. Some psychometricians are going to end up with swollen histograms.

  • Joy Marie
    Posted March 17, 2015 at 8:35 pm

    So lets face the facts here. No matter if they disclosed every single question and the correct answer and why it was correct, the only winners here are a) Pearson (A UK/Libyan company, so we’re not spending our American Tax Payer Dollars in America – AND, we didn’t have a choice how our dollars got spent); and b) the edubullies who insist on bogus tests tied to firing teachers and union busting. Shame on the USDOE. Shame on our President and his henchman, Duncan. This is all a ruse. Welcome to the New Order.

    • lettuceny
      Posted March 18, 2015 at 10:41 am

      Amen. This is scary stuff, especially for any parent of a child about to enter school, knowing that our kids are the guinea pigs of the current administration.

      • Jennifer Lee
        Posted October 1, 2015 at 7:13 am

        EVERYBODY PANIC!!!!!

  • Jennifer Lee
    Posted October 1, 2015 at 7:08 am

    Sorry Fred, Dennis is right both in content, tone, and admonishment.
    ALL big testing companies include “sample” questions alongside the real questions, whose results are never going to be included in the students’ score. They are designed that way, before hand.
    *I* would say that
    Complaining without providing a solution is called “whining”. Propose a better way to experiment with new questions and new question formats.

  • Jennifer Lee
    Posted October 1, 2015 at 7:11 am

    One of the advantages of common core is that it helps students to learn CONCEPTUALLY, rather than by rote. This is intended to reduce illogical statements like this one: “While SED can decide after the fact not to count certain questions that are flawed or ambiguous, if those items are present on test day they serve to ramp up kids’ already high stress levels. ”

    Help me to understand how you can be more stressed out on one day, based upon a decision made in secret in the future?
    Oh — I know — it’s because your parents have been riled up by trolling, fear-mongering, ignorant hack yellow journalism, like this.

  • Jennifer Lee
    Posted October 1, 2015 at 7:13 am

    Also, I’m jealous of your education if you NEVER had a teacher make an error on a test and say, “I’m sorry, there was a typo on question #16, so it didn’t count against your score.” You have lived a privileged life! :)

    Imagine if a teacher was caught tampering in such a way with even a handful of answer sheets!

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