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Less Parking = More Affordable Housing!

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  • SAM
    Posted July 6, 2015 at 6:16 pm

    Affordable housing is a unicorn. Bike nazis love unicorns.

  • native new yorker
    Posted July 7, 2015 at 7:48 am

    The only problem is that as the residents of ‘affordable’ apartments or market rate apartments make more money they will start to purchase cars. So it’s a balancing act.

    • Brian Howald
      Posted July 7, 2015 at 9:27 am

      “And as the younger residents get older and get married and have kids a car becomes a necessity. Who would drag their sick child onto a bus or call a car service for an emergency doctor’s visit[?] Many residents will want a car for things like shopping and visiting out of borough and out of town friends and family.”

      Given that most of the households in this city do not own cars, are you suggesting that this majority doesn’t get older, doesn’t have children, don’t visit family, don’t visit doctors, or shop? People have used public transportation to meet these needs since before the car was invented, and here, in New York, they still do. I think we’ll manage as we have for the past 150 years.

      • native new yorker
        Posted July 7, 2015 at 9:34 am

        Maybe, but in NYC middle-class families are the car owners. I live on SI where a car is a necessity. But I also see tons of (very expensive) cars parked on the streets of so-called ‘transit-rich’ neighborhoods like Bay Ridge and Park Slope.

        • Brian Howald
          Posted July 7, 2015 at 9:52 am

          You live in a borough that has roughly 5% of the city’s population. I wouldn’t take that as indicative of the city as a whole.

          Most streets in New York are covered in parked cars (drivers are like air, they’ll expand to fill all allowable space), but if a block can accommodate 80 parked cars on a block that houses 1,600 people, I don’t see how that leads you to believe that most people have cars.

        • AnoNYC
          Posted July 10, 2015 at 5:34 pm

          Everyone thinks they’re middle class, whatever that is. Less than half of households in NYC have an automobile registered (Skewed by SI and Queens), and the average household size in NYC is 2.6 people. That means a small percentage of the population has regular access.

          Considering the density of the places you mentioned, though numerous, the number of cars you see parked on the street does not correlate with the total residential population.

    • AnoNYC
      Posted July 7, 2015 at 10:26 am

      This is not accurate. Seniors are not going to eventually purchase automobiles at some future date after several years of living in designated housing and neither are the demographics applying for affordable housing.

      These units will be located within a half mile of rail rapid transit. This isn’t even being considered on SI (or fringe Queens) at this time either.

  • Anon resident
    Posted July 9, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    What about parking for NYPD? Ongoing parking issues for the staff and what about teachers and parking?

    • native new yorker
      Posted July 10, 2015 at 10:58 am

      Many precincts have on-street parking for cops. Some schools have parking reserved for teachers. There is a public HS near my home and the teachers park all over, but plenty of spaces available.

      • AnoNYC
        Posted July 10, 2015 at 5:29 pm

        Police, fireman and public school administrators should not have special parking privileges.

      • LaSargenta
        Posted July 16, 2015 at 8:45 am

        Many precincts have on-sidewalk parking for cops. Unfortunately.

      • Christina Johnson
        Posted August 8, 2015 at 12:53 pm

        the reason the spaces are available is because Bloomberg took away everyone’s parking passes for those spots. We have one and a half blocks worth of parking, but out of maybe 20 teachers that need to park we are only allowed 10 passes for the year. Therefore we must share and we can only alternate when we can park. And so the spaces sit empty. If DiBlasio reinstates our passes we wouldn’t have to park all over and take up neighborhood spots!

        • Andrew
          Posted August 9, 2015 at 12:59 pm

          One might be excused, after reading your comment, for concluding that the 54% of New York City households that do not own a car simply sit at home all day every day, since it is apparently impossible to travel anywhere without a car.

          There is no reason for the city to subsidize parking for teachers. There are many ways to get around this city, and if you choose to drive to work, the responsibility to find a legal place to park your car is yours and yours alone.

          Personal responsibility is a lesson that our school children should be learning, but they’re not going to learn it if their teachers haven’t even figured it out.

          • Christina Johnson
            Posted August 9, 2015 at 1:15 pm

            Andrew,
            Exactly what is it you do for a living?

          • Andrew
            Posted August 9, 2015 at 10:05 pm

            Argumentum ad hominem.

          • Christina Johnson
            Posted August 10, 2015 at 12:09 am

            My reply was not to attack, but to show you that you have no idea why a teacher would want to drive to work. Most laymen have no idea what a teacher does on a daily basis and henceforth your comment!

          • Andrew
            Posted August 10, 2015 at 7:22 am

            I said nothing about an attack.

            Although my job is nominally 9-to-5, I often (at least once or twice a week) have to go into the office several hours early or stay well into the evening. I also often work weekends and holidays. And I have meetings in odd locations in all five boroughs (and occasionally beyond). But none of this relieves me of the responsibility to accept the consequences of however I choose to commute to work.

            I have a close friend who is a teacher who does not own a car. Somehow she does it, and she even seems to enjoy her job. You want to drive a car? Fine, drive a car, but I only ask that you accept the consequences of that choice (e.g., finding a place to park is your problem and nobody else’s). It’s called taking responsibility.

  • elvin
    Posted August 2, 2015 at 8:10 am

    parking garage under senior/ affordable should be increased and required to provide affordable monthly rates to limited income families, policemen, firemen, who actually park their cars on public sidewalks or street. Cars are not going away and a lot of seniors, such as myself have cars to go and visit grandchildren, supermarket, etc. It is not easy to carry groceries on the subway

    • Andrew
      Posted August 2, 2015 at 10:18 am

      parking garage under senior/ affordable should be increased

      At whose expense? Where? And why, given that only 5% of senior affordable housing households own cars in the first place?

      and required to provide affordable monthly rates

      Affordable to whom? Assuming “affordable” refers to something lower than the market value of the space, who exactly do you expect to subsidize your parking expenses?

      to limited income families,

      Limited income families, by and large, do not own cars.

      policemen, firemen, who actually park their cars on public sidewalks or street.

      Parking a car on the sidewalk is blatantly illegal and unsafe. Are you seriously suggesting that people who choose to break the law and jeopardize the safety of pedestrians should be rewarded with discounted parking? How about we instead enforce the law? Anybody who does not want to be ticketed or towed is welcome to search for legal parking or to pick a different mode to commute to work.

      Cars are not going away

      Nobody every claimed they were.

      and a lot of seniors, such as myself have cars

      And many more don’t, especially those in affordable housing. Owning a car is an expensive proposition.

      to go and visit grandchildren,

      If you can’t reach your grandchildren by subway or bus, taxis and car services can save the day, most likely at far lower cost than owning and maintaining a personal car. Or if there is subway service between you and your grandchildren but you can’t navigate the stairs, perhaps they should be visiting you (if they are old enough).

      supermarket, etc. It is not easy to carry groceries on the subway

      False dichotomy – I don’t often see groceries on the subway. Most people carry their groceries home (in wheeled carts – so-called “granny carts” – if too much to physically carry) or have the store deliver. Many supermarkets offer home delivery for free or for a small fee (far lower than the cost of owning an automobile). FreshDirect may be another option for you.

      As I said, owning a car is an expensive proposition. If you can’t afford one, please don’t try to pawn off your expenses on those who have chosen to live within our means.

      • elvin
        Posted August 3, 2015 at 5:18 pm

        most people who park in garages pay a monthly parking fee

        police routinely park their private and official cars on sidewalks (take a jog across New York City!!!)

        Have you ever counted the cars/checked ownership parked on city provided for free parking around/by/under public / affordable housing built years ago

        how come welfare people are given everything without anything in return? they can own cars, have free parking spaces, and still get their welfare checks! where is equality?

        • Andrew
          Posted August 9, 2015 at 12:49 pm

          most people who park in garages pay a monthly parking fee

          Does that monthly parking fee come anywhere close to the cost of constructing and operating that parking plus the opportunity cost for the land it occupies? If not, the rest of us are subsidizing your choice to own a car. You want more parking? Then you’re asking the rest of us to subsidize you even more.

          police routinely park their private and official cars on sidewalks (take a jog across New York City!!!)

          Correct, and it’s a big problem. Rewarding the police for breaking the law will not solve the problem.

          Have you ever counted the cars/checked ownership parked on city provided for free parking around/by/under public / affordable housing built years ago

          See the article to which we are commenting.

          how come welfare people are given everything without anything in return? they can own cars, have free parking spaces, and still get their welfare checks!

          Pardon?

          where is equality?

          Equality is in expecting those who opt to own cars to take care of their own parking needs on their own dime without bothering the rest of us who opt to not own cars.

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