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Opinion: City Has Gone from Allowing ‘Poor Doors’ to Permitting ‘Poor Buildings’

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  • John
    Posted February 17, 2020 at 5:37 pm

    Loved the article, best part about it is the fact that developers still continue to get away with poor buildings. See 15 Hudson yards as an example, poor building in the back with a separate address and completely different amenities and fixtures with no intercoms. Everything’s handled through the phone, and even things the mayor spoke about they got away with ex: washer/Dryer not included and they offer a laundry room that charges that charges the poor,

  • David
    Posted February 25, 2020 at 8:39 am

    The 2nd entrance to 15 Hudson yards is 553 West 30th, It’s right next to the main entrance to The Shed. It has a beautiful lobby. And I know a lot of luxury buildings that happened to have laundry rooms instead of individual washer and dryer per Apts.

  • Elaine La Penna
    Posted October 12, 2020 at 8:42 pm

    I live in Extell’s “poor building” located at 229 Cherry Street. The glaring disparity is atrocious. Extell refuses to provide appropriate security for this building, which is desperately needed. Meanwhile, folks over at One Manhattan Square need fear nothing. They are secure and couldn’t care less about the sister building that allotted them their tax abatement. The mismanagement of 229 Cherry Street is out of control and our pleas for human security falls on deaf ears.

  • Mohammed Ali
    Posted October 26, 2020 at 11:59 am

    “inclusionary zoning” my ass.

    No one is entitled to fancy luxury amenities. If they want them, they can pay for them like everyone else.

    Don’t you realize that this is the reason why everything is so damn expensive in this city? Constantly demanding that everything come with subsidies for the poor paid for by everyone else, is what adds additional costs onto everyone else and makes things so expensive. It also does absolutely nothing to address the real shortage of housing. Only makes people feel better that “rich” people are being taxed, and subsidies given to the poor. You care more about equalizing society than solving real problems, and getting people out of poverty.

    The real solution to NYC’s housing costs is to drastically upzone everything, and let developers build as much market rate condos housing as they want. It’s the only way to address the shortage. No one should trust government to solve poverty when, they’re the ones who created the poverty in the first place by all but banning construction.

    This has the added benefit of f-ing over landlords by dropping rental rates and property values.

    And dooming poor people to rent forever does nothing about the “wealth gap”. It just hides it.

    • Mdlr
      Posted May 21, 2021 at 11:57 am

      Ali,

      You sound very ignorant. Not everyone who lives in “poor buildings” are poor and unemployed. We are teachers, nurses, engineers and regular working class people. We are people who rich folks depend on for their needs. We aren’t looking for handouts. We deserve the same housing quality and we shouldn’t be excluded from living and services provided to the rich. The rich love to treat us like we’re some disease. They don’t want to associate with us commoners and low income people. Sadly, privatizing housing was the worst idea. But here we are… building Mitchell llamas 2.0

      • Mark
        Posted June 6, 2021 at 4:42 pm

        “The rich love to treat us like we’re some disease. They don’t want to associate with us commoners and low income people.”

        Your wealthy neighbors aren’t the ones designing and building these buildings. Your beef should be with the developers, not your neighbors.

        I’d be willing to bet that all the marketing literature and open houses for the “wealthy” portions of these buildings or complexes conveniently fail to make any mention of the poor doors. If you want to effect social change, encourage the wealthier buyers/tenants to ask about this before they buy in, and consider refusing to buy in to any building which has the kinds of divisions of amenities that you’re concerned about. At the end of the day, most people vote with their wallets, including developers

      • Wow
        Posted November 10, 2021 at 11:47 pm

        I agree 100%
        I guess I’m considered poor,
        I most certainly have plenty of class!
        My son works at a hedge fund makes 6 figures.
        I don’t look poor nor do I act classless!
        Just cos some make lots of money, doesn’t make them better?
        You sound like a stuck up snob, My son pays around $6000 a month for rent!
        I’d consider his girlfriend and classless who came from poverty,.
        I currently live in a building,
        I don’t have a separate entrance.
        I’ don’t get free amenities, I’d have to pay just like anyone else.
        there’s nothing worth paying here for, besides a gym.
        I don’t like working out😂
        This building I’m in doesn’t even have a nice roof deck.
        The doorman are great.
        I’m trying to move.
        My spot is a tiny studio.
        Even if I pay less id,
        still expect to me treated the same as everyone else!
        Separate entrance??
        That’s crazy,
        So they’re putting all low income people in a different area of the building?
        That sounds awful..
        Some of the low income I’ve met I’d want nothing to do with!
        I’d be rather upset, if I was treated any different!
        My neighbors don’t know what I pay.
        They are often antisocial where I am anyway.
        Sticking poor as you put it, is like that is not right at all!
        As the other person said, teachers, essential workers.
        We should be all be treated equal.
        Perhaps these buildings you speak of
        need to use discretion of whom they allow to move in.

    • Cara
      Posted May 21, 2021 at 3:44 pm

      Exactly!

    • jjhan
      Posted July 22, 2021 at 6:12 pm

      I agree with you Ali. The subsidy should provide for the housing part, not the extra luxury part of the building. Some folks are too entitled and they believe they should get to enjoy all the luxury in the world – without paying for it

      • Monica
        Posted September 30, 2021 at 12:15 am

        You have the audacity to say that low income and working class people are entitled, when the rich feel that they’re entitled to every damn thing. Go take several seats and drink a giant glass of STFU.

        • soothsayer
          Posted July 10, 2022 at 6:46 pm

          And here we have Monica, an upstanding representative, albeit unelected, of the poor community who is just oozing with as much class and sophistication as she is with mastery of the English language. Dear Monica, go ask any immigrant from Cuba, Venezuela or Iran how they feel about the ultimate outcome of the sentiments you hold as it played out in their former homelands.
          Since you probably won’t do that: your politics, previously correctly recognized as entitled, would ultimately lead us to hard-core socialism or communism, and those forms of government are only good for the ruling class: everyone else suffers very badly, and in much worse ways than you can imagine right now.
          Lastly, before you reply, please put the term “comma splice” into your favorite search engine.

  • Winter S.
    Posted July 4, 2022 at 6:52 pm

    I make $70,000/yr. I currently live in the Bronx and have been applying for almost any Manhattan development that arises because I would like to live in Manhattan again. I was born and raised in Manhattan. It would be nice to be able to access amenities, even if it means I pay a yearly fee, and if I can work it into my budget. But were I to get one of these apartments, I would not expect to have FREE access to them or believe that what I pay in rent should cover the costs. I honestly don’t know why any tenant paying considerably less than market rate would think they are entitled to this. The one thing I have a problem with are “poor doors.” That is simply degrading and serves no purpose other than to humiliate and segregate. If it is a separate building without amenities, then fine. The focus is on housing, not having everything higher-earning tenants have. So to me, a separate building is fine, but a separate entrance or “poor door” is just wrong. Technically, banning access to amenities outright is also wrong. Offer the option to have them pay a fee for use. If they can pay it, then great. If they can’t, then they cannot use them.

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